Bama Asa bamour ( Bamaw ) Ka.
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Dear Bob Hudson,
Refer to your doctoral, PhD, Thesis (2004) page 24 , subtitle "Tagaung" I would argue as follow.
You wrote {After 33 kings had reigned, the Tagaung kingdom
collapsed due to incursions by the kingdom of Gandhara, in what is now Yunnan.}
Actually Gandhara is not modern Yunnan but Tibet.
Modern Yunnan was referred to as Panthay Pyi ( Pathir Country) . Refer Hmanan page 172 ( Three in One edition published by Sar-Thu-Gyi Sar Oat-tite ) in January 2008,
If you are Burmese Language Literate kindly refer page 172 Second column the first to 12th line.
The first and second line mentioned that Panthir or Pan-thay country is situated in the east of Pagan Kingdom.
The 11th 12th lines mentioned that Gandara or Ganda-la-rity or Gandara-raj ( the Kingdom of Gandara ) was situated in the North , Tibet now PRC occupied Tibet Autonomous region.
Generally I find your Thesis is very valuable and essence for the Burmese History.
Thank you very much.
Best regards.
adam khan
Dear Bob Hudson,
I found D G E Hall was very nice.
He can create what he wanted to believe what he wrote without any references and citation as below.
The Pyu were the earliest inhabitants of Burma of whom
records are extant. Inscriptions in their language using a South
Indian script have been found as far north as Halingyi in
Shwebo district, but mostly at old Prome. They show a
Vikrama dynasty ruling there at least from 673 to 718, which is
thought to have inaugurated the Burmese Era beginning in
March A.D. 638. There is mention of another dynasty with an
Indian name, the Varman line, ruling over a neighbouring and
rival city, but Old Prome is the only Pyu site so‘ far to be
excavated in that area. Outside its walls are three stupas of
archaic type, of which the Bawbawgyi, a cylinder of plastered
brick 150 feet high, with a hollow shaft in the centre,
crowned with a flattened cone, is the best-preserved. Of
particular interest are the small vaulted chapels, of brick
and arched in the style of the Pagan temples of which they
are prototypes.
I would not buy his stories. May be good to read but hard to believe.
That is why I mentioned that G H Luce, Pe Maung Tin, Thaw Kaung, Col Ba Shin, Khin Maung Nyunt, Than Tun and most of the British Servants can not be trusted.
Now some of the 21st Century scholars are following them to lobby Bama came from NanZhao or modern Yunnan.
Who can convince me ?
I can differentiate who are biased and who are not.
Thank you .
Best regards.
adam khan
I found D G E Hall was very nice.
He can create what he wanted to believe what he wrote without any references and citation as below.
The Pyu were the earliest inhabitants of Burma of whom
records are extant. Inscriptions in their language using a South
Indian script have been found as far north as Halingyi in
Shwebo district, but mostly at old Prome. They show a
Vikrama dynasty ruling there at least from 673 to 718, which is
thought to have inaugurated the Burmese Era beginning in
March A.D. 638. There is mention of another dynasty with an
Indian name, the Varman line, ruling over a neighbouring and
rival city, but Old Prome is the only Pyu site so‘ far to be
excavated in that area. Outside its walls are three stupas of
archaic type, of which the Bawbawgyi, a cylinder of plastered
brick 150 feet high, with a hollow shaft in the centre,
crowned with a flattened cone, is the best-preserved. Of
particular interest are the small vaulted chapels, of brick
and arched in the style of the Pagan temples of which they
are prototypes.
I would not buy his stories. May be good to read but hard to believe.
That is why I mentioned that G H Luce, Pe Maung Tin, Thaw Kaung, Col Ba Shin, Khin Maung Nyunt, Than Tun and most of the British Servants can not be trusted.
Now some of the 21st Century scholars are following them to lobby Bama came from NanZhao or modern Yunnan.
Who can convince me ?
I can differentiate who are biased and who are not.
Thank you .
Best regards.
adam khan
Jul 3
Dear Bob Hudson,
In the following paragraph," Tircul" stands for " Ta-ri-cu-la " Trident inm Indianm Language
Chapter 1 will critically review the mythological and chronicle history, the framework within
which Burmese archaeologists and historians work, as well as the western histories, and summarise
and analyse the “received” history up to the Bagan period. In these narratives, an emphasis can be
detected among indigenous scholars on finding archaeological support for traditions of a Buddhist
presence in Burma that, according to folklore, goes back to the lifetime of the Buddha. The
western historians generally agree that Myanmar was home by the beginning of the first
millennium of the Christian era to disparate ethnic/territorial groups. Under the influence of Indian
culture, including literacy and religion, settlements developed in the central zone, enclosed by
brick walls and populated by iron-using agriculturalists known today (via Chinese references) as
the Pyu, but who probably called themselves Tircul. According to Chinese sources the Pyu
declined after they were attacked by Nanchao, in what is now the Chinese province of Yunnan, in
the early 9th century AD. As G. H. Luce saw it, their fellow Tibeto-Burman speakers, the Burmans,
then migrated westward from their agricultural base in the Kyaukse area to establish Bagan (Luce
1959a, 1959b, 1985). This explanation is not convincingly supported by the archaeological
evidence.
Pru or Ta-ri-cu-la is not the name of the race but Saka or Sakyan or Thet is.
I disagree with Luce who said Bama Asa Kyaukse Ka.
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
In the following paragraph," Tircul" stands for " Ta-ri-cu-la " Trident inm Indianm Language
Chapter 1 will critically review the mythological and chronicle history, the framework within
which Burmese archaeologists and historians work, as well as the western histories, and summarise
and analyse the “received” history up to the Bagan period. In these narratives, an emphasis can be
detected among indigenous scholars on finding archaeological support for traditions of a Buddhist
presence in Burma that, according to folklore, goes back to the lifetime of the Buddha. The
western historians generally agree that Myanmar was home by the beginning of the first
millennium of the Christian era to disparate ethnic/territorial groups. Under the influence of Indian
culture, including literacy and religion, settlements developed in the central zone, enclosed by
brick walls and populated by iron-using agriculturalists known today (via Chinese references) as
the Pyu, but who probably called themselves Tircul. According to Chinese sources the Pyu
declined after they were attacked by Nanchao, in what is now the Chinese province of Yunnan, in
the early 9th century AD. As G. H. Luce saw it, their fellow Tibeto-Burman speakers, the Burmans,
then migrated westward from their agricultural base in the Kyaukse area to establish Bagan (Luce
1959a, 1959b, 1985). This explanation is not convincingly supported by the archaeological
evidence.
Pru or Ta-ri-cu-la is not the name of the race but Saka or Sakyan or Thet is.
I disagree with Luce who said Bama Asa Kyaukse Ka.
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
Jul 3
Dear Bob Hudson,
This is Trisula = Tircul of Siam .
Intertwined divine weapons, the Chakra and the Trisula.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emblem_of_Thailand
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
This is Trisula = Tircul of Siam .
Intertwined divine weapons, the Chakra and the Trisula.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emblem_of_Thailand
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
Jul 3
Dear Bob Hudson,
I must stress that what you mean Chinese source basically is Chen Yi Sein and need to analyze very carefully.
There is no Tai or Thai ..They are Bai and Yi.
Bai and Yi in modern Yunnan which was called,"NanZhao" by Tang and Han ;
was very weak not strong enough to defense themselves .
We do not trust Luce because he entirely dependent on Chen Yi Sein who was Chinese.
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
I must stress that what you mean Chinese source basically is Chen Yi Sein and need to analyze very carefully.
There is no Tai or Thai ..They are Bai and Yi.
Bai and Yi in modern Yunnan which was called,"NanZhao" by Tang and Han ;
was very weak not strong enough to defense themselves .
We do not trust Luce because he entirely dependent on Chen Yi Sein who was Chinese.
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
Jul 3
Dear Bob,
Thank you for your statement below. .
Quote {According to Chinese sources the Pyu
declined after they were attacked by Nanchao, in what is now the Chinese province of Yunnan, in
the early 9th century AD. As G. H. Luce saw it, their fellow Tibeto-Burman speakers, the Burmans,
then migrated westward from their agricultural base in the Kyaukse area to establish Bagan (Luce
1959a, 1959b, 1985). This explanation is not convincingly supported by the archaeological
evidence. Hudson 2004 p19} Unquote.
Pe Maung Tin, an ethnic Chinese and his brother-in-Law G H Luce were promoting Nanzhao ( Nan-Kyouk) Chinese migration theory which we considered rubbish.
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
Thank you for your statement below. .
Quote {According to Chinese sources the Pyu
declined after they were attacked by Nanchao, in what is now the Chinese province of Yunnan, in
the early 9th century AD. As G. H. Luce saw it, their fellow Tibeto-Burman speakers, the Burmans,
then migrated westward from their agricultural base in the Kyaukse area to establish Bagan (Luce
1959a, 1959b, 1985). This explanation is not convincingly supported by the archaeological
evidence. Hudson 2004 p19} Unquote.
Pe Maung Tin, an ethnic Chinese and his brother-in-Law G H Luce were promoting Nanzhao ( Nan-Kyouk) Chinese migration theory which we considered rubbish.
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
Jul 3
Dougald J. W. O’Reilly mentioned, ‘”pagan, with the hundreds of crumbling bricks stupasscatter over the landscape, among the most famous cultural sites of Southeast Asia. Less well known are the Great Cities of Pyu, or Tircul as they likely called themselves. (Reference: “Early Civilizations of Southeast Asia By Dougald J. W. O'Reilly”). The cities mentioned here are certainly Vishnu and Sri keshtra of ancient Pyu or Pru Kingdoms of modern Burma.
The name of Irrawaddy certainly came from the ancient Indian people called Tritsu of the Sindu Valley (Modern Puanjab) and the original name was Iravati or Purushani or Parushani.
{Author’s special note to Maung Sein Win –Pa-dee-gone, Joo and Or-pee-kyel, please explore more in Burma for educational and national purposes.}
It is also verified by Donald Alexander Mackenzie in his famous Book “Indian Myth and Legend” as below.
The Bharatas, and their priestly aristocracy of Tritsus,(probably Taw Seng Ko referred them as Tirtcul) the Vasisthas, appear to have joined the Kuru-Panchala confederacy about the time that the Brahmanas were being composed, and these were probably influenced by the ritualistic practices of the Vaisishthas. There are references of Agni of the Bharatas, and a goddess Bharati is mentioned in connection with the Saraswati river.
http://wunzinminraja.blogspot.com/2015/04/reconstruction-of-burma-golden-land.html
The name of Irrawaddy certainly came from the ancient Indian people called Tritsu of the Sindu Valley (Modern Puanjab) and the original name was Iravati or Purushani or Parushani.
{Author’s special note to Maung Sein Win –Pa-dee-gone, Joo and Or-pee-kyel, please explore more in Burma for educational and national purposes.}
It is also verified by Donald Alexander Mackenzie in his famous Book “Indian Myth and Legend” as below.
The Bharatas, and their priestly aristocracy of Tritsus,(probably Taw Seng Ko referred them as Tirtcul) the Vasisthas, appear to have joined the Kuru-Panchala confederacy about the time that the Brahmanas were being composed, and these were probably influenced by the ritualistic practices of the Vaisishthas. There are references of Agni of the Bharatas, and a goddess Bharati is mentioned in connection with the Saraswati river.
http://wunzinminraja.blogspot.com/2015/04/reconstruction-of-burma-golden-land.html
28 days
Dear Bob Hudson<
Your doctoral thesis (Hudson 2004) is the best among all the research works done on Burmese hiosdtory.
But I do not agree with you a certain points you repeat G H Luce & Pe Maung Tin and also Michae;l Aung Thwin particularly the claim of Bama came from modern Yunnan and Nanzhao was powerful
Burmese were only power in the region and Han was also very, very defeated several times when Han attack Burma.
Even now if Xi dare to declare war against Burma, he will see consequences.
https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/29116/1/10731211.pdf
Your doctoral thesis (Hudson 2004) is the best among all the research works done on Burmese hiosdtory.
But I do not agree with you a certain points you repeat G H Luce & Pe Maung Tin and also Michae;l Aung Thwin particularly the claim of Bama came from modern Yunnan and Nanzhao was powerful
Burmese were only power in the region and Han was also very, very defeated several times when Han attack Burma.
Even now if Xi dare to declare war against Burma, he will see consequences.
https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/29116/1/10731211.pdf
28 days
The third feature that is of importance in Burma’s
relation with China, is that alone among the countries of
the East, large Chinese communities have not remained
distinct entities in Burma. One needs only to examine
and compare the position of the Chinese communities in
Malaya and Thailand, with that of the Chinese in Burma
to realize this fact. Possibly it is due to the ease
with which Burmese women of good class and families marry
Chinese, and of course the ease with which they, and
their offspring are accepted by Burmese society; SinoBurmese in the third generation do not generally speak
Chinese. There is no large scale sending of remittances
home to Chinese as elsewhere in Asia. These factors
have some significance in view of the Communist triumph
In Ohina today.(Maung Kyaw Thet 1950 )
relation with China, is that alone among the countries of
the East, large Chinese communities have not remained
distinct entities in Burma. One needs only to examine
and compare the position of the Chinese communities in
Malaya and Thailand, with that of the Chinese in Burma
to realize this fact. Possibly it is due to the ease
with which Burmese women of good class and families marry
Chinese, and of course the ease with which they, and
their offspring are accepted by Burmese society; SinoBurmese in the third generation do not generally speak
Chinese. There is no large scale sending of remittances
home to Chinese as elsewhere in Asia. These factors
have some significance in view of the Communist triumph
In Ohina today.(Maung Kyaw Thet 1950 )
26 days
Dear Bob Husdson,
Please stop lobbying the idea of Bama tribe came down from modern Yunnan.
Your comparison Carnelian tiger bead ( P109 refers)
Firstly all the technology and design of Carnelian bead came from Purushapura (modern Peshawar, Pakistan, formerly Mahabarat).
Secondly the Samon Carnelian tiger bead has distinct features which differ from that of modern Yunnan.
Thirdly modern Yunnan was ruled by Mariyan dynastic descendants and Tibetan people not Han of Northeastern regions.
Therefore your supports for GH Luce -Pe Maung Tin ( bro-in-laws pair ) and Michael and Maitri Aung Thwin ( like father like son pair) cannot be considered.
As long as you are not lobbyist for White Chinese and PRC Communist we are okay .
Now this is very sensitive issues which is at high political agenda. We do notg want PRC Communist in our countries, Burma, Bangladesh, Siam, Malaysia and Indonesia
Thanks and best regards
adam khan
Please stop lobbying the idea of Bama tribe came down from modern Yunnan.
Your comparison Carnelian tiger bead ( P109 refers)
Firstly all the technology and design of Carnelian bead came from Purushapura (modern Peshawar, Pakistan, formerly Mahabarat).
Secondly the Samon Carnelian tiger bead has distinct features which differ from that of modern Yunnan.
Thirdly modern Yunnan was ruled by Mariyan dynastic descendants and Tibetan people not Han of Northeastern regions.
Therefore your supports for GH Luce -Pe Maung Tin ( bro-in-laws pair ) and Michael and Maitri Aung Thwin ( like father like son pair) cannot be considered.
As long as you are not lobbyist for White Chinese and PRC Communist we are okay .
Now this is very sensitive issues which is at high political agenda. We do notg want PRC Communist in our countries, Burma, Bangladesh, Siam, Malaysia and Indonesia
Thanks and best regards
adam khan
21 days
Dear Bob Hudson,
We have to face reality, no fictions, no inventions and fabrications.
Tai and Thai are fabrications.
Pyu is not correct either.The following is from your 2004 PhD Thesis.
The appearance of the early urban “Pyu” system of walled central places during the early first
millennium AD seems to have involved a spread of agricultural and management skills and
population from the Samon.
Actually Pyu is derived from Purushapura and Puru may be tribal name, not the name of the race.
Abhir- Rajka came from the place call Purushapura. modern Pesahawa in Pakistan , formerly part of Mahabarat, along the River Perushani or Iravati ( modern River Ravi) , the kingdom of Abhira .
The evidences are as follow
1. Abhira
The Abhira tribe (Ahirs) or Abhira Kshatriyas were a people mentioned in ancient Indian epics and scriptures as early as the Vedas.[5] A historical people of the same name are mentioned in the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea.
Race is defined as “a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits.” The term ethnicities is more broadly defined as “large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background.” ... Ethnicities share a cultural background
Etymology
Etymologically, he who can cast terror on all sides is called an Abhira.[6] In Sanskrit, A is a prefix to imply opposite of any word and bhīru(भीरु) means afraid.
(Ref https://wiki2.org/en/Abhira_tribe)
2.The Kurukshetra War (Sanskrit: कुरुक्षेत्र युद्ध ), also called the Mahabharata War, is a war described in the Indian epic poem The Mahābhārata (Sanskrit: महाभारत ). The conflict arose from a dynastic succession struggle between two groups of cousins, the Kauravas and Pandavas, for the throne of Hastinapura. It involved several ancient kingdoms participating as allies of the rival groups.
The historicity of the war remains subject to scholarly discussions.[1][2][3] It is possible that the Battle of the Ten Kings, mentioned in the Rigveda, may have formed the nucleus of the story of the Kurukshetra war, though it was greatly expanded and modified in the Mahabharata's account, making the Mahabharata's version of dubious historicity.[4] Attempts have been made to assign a historical date to the Kurukshetra War. Scholarly research suggests ca. 1000 BCE,[2] while popular tradition holds that the war marks the transition to Kali Yuga and thus dates it to 3102 BCE.[5]
(Ref: https://wiki2.org/en/Kurukshetra_War)
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
We have to face reality, no fictions, no inventions and fabrications.
Tai and Thai are fabrications.
Pyu is not correct either.The following is from your 2004 PhD Thesis.
The appearance of the early urban “Pyu” system of walled central places during the early first
millennium AD seems to have involved a spread of agricultural and management skills and
population from the Samon.
Actually Pyu is derived from Purushapura and Puru may be tribal name, not the name of the race.
Abhir- Rajka came from the place call Purushapura. modern Pesahawa in Pakistan , formerly part of Mahabarat, along the River Perushani or Iravati ( modern River Ravi) , the kingdom of Abhira .
The evidences are as follow
1. Abhira
The Abhira tribe (Ahirs) or Abhira Kshatriyas were a people mentioned in ancient Indian epics and scriptures as early as the Vedas.[5] A historical people of the same name are mentioned in the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea.
Race is defined as “a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits.” The term ethnicities is more broadly defined as “large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background.” ... Ethnicities share a cultural background
Etymology
Etymologically, he who can cast terror on all sides is called an Abhira.[6] In Sanskrit, A is a prefix to imply opposite of any word and bhīru(भीरु) means afraid.
(Ref https://wiki2.org/en/Abhira_tribe)
2.The Kurukshetra War (Sanskrit: कुरुक्षेत्र युद्ध ), also called the Mahabharata War, is a war described in the Indian epic poem The Mahābhārata (Sanskrit: महाभारत ). The conflict arose from a dynastic succession struggle between two groups of cousins, the Kauravas and Pandavas, for the throne of Hastinapura. It involved several ancient kingdoms participating as allies of the rival groups.
The historicity of the war remains subject to scholarly discussions.[1][2][3] It is possible that the Battle of the Ten Kings, mentioned in the Rigveda, may have formed the nucleus of the story of the Kurukshetra war, though it was greatly expanded and modified in the Mahabharata's account, making the Mahabharata's version of dubious historicity.[4] Attempts have been made to assign a historical date to the Kurukshetra War. Scholarly research suggests ca. 1000 BCE,[2] while popular tradition holds that the war marks the transition to Kali Yuga and thus dates it to 3102 BCE.[5]
(Ref: https://wiki2.org/en/Kurukshetra_War)
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
10 days
To Elizabeth Moore,
cc : Bob Hudson.
Dear Elizabeth,
I commented on your paper on Sampanaga and now would share the evidence which supports my point.
"At the close of Sitta's dynasty two sons of one Hastetdeva
Raja, of Kusambi, arrived at Champanagara (Sabènago) and commenced to reign, after
first changing the name of the town to Sampala. After this another (nameless) dynasty
appears to have followed and to have transferred the capital to the opposite bank of the
Irrawaddy at Kaungsin, and fourthly the country came under the sway of Asoka of
Pataliputra (Dhammathawka of the Burmese), when Sampenago was again made the
capital and was reckoned one of the 84,000 towns over which he governed, and in each of
which he is related to have built a pagoda, a tank, a well, and a rest-house for travellers.
The present Shwe-kyi-na pagoda, close to the ruins of old Sampenago, is believed to be
the one built by Asoka, but there are also three others in the neighbourhood which claim
the same origin, though that at Shwekyina is undoubtedly the most ancient and the most
important. The three in question are (1) that at Hakan on the right bank of the Irrawaddy,
nearly opposite Sampenago, and known as the Mya-zedi; (2) the Kaungtaung pagoda,
called the Shwe-zi-gôn pagoda; and (3) the Shwe-zedi at Bhamo. The reason of Asoka's
choosing Sampenago for one set of his pagodas, tanks, &c., is said to be that Buddha had
lived there in a former existence in the body of a crow.
{Ref: http://www.myanmar-law-library.org/IMG/pdf/shan_state_part_ii_volume_i.pdf}
Best regards.
adam khan
8 days
Dear Bob,
Refer to p 24 of your PhD Thesis (2004) which states as below .
{The story goes that the kings of Burma were descended from a migrating Indian chiefdom, the
“noble Sun dynasty of the Sakiyans”, the same line of descent as Buddha. They arrived to settle
at Tagaung around 850 BC, several centuries before the time of Buddha. Tagaung is a multiple walled site on the Ayeyarwady above Mandalay with an extensive archaeological record (page
144). The sons of the first king quarrelled. One migrated west across the Arakan Yoma in 825
BC, founding the city of Dhanyawadi. After 33 kings had reigned, the Tagaung kingdom
collapsed due to incursions by the kingdom of Gandhara, in what is now Yunnan.}
My interpretation of the historiography is , as far as Gandhara is concern which cannot be Chinese though the would be Bama or Burman came into Tagaung region from the region now called ( modern ) Yunnan; they were the same people, I mean the Abhira tribe of Gandhara ( modern Afghanistan, Pakistan and India triangle.
Thus far we Burmese , Bama and all ethnic races are not the kin of Han or Tai Chinese and we are not Pouk-Faw or relatives to these expansionists.
Trust that this message make very clear for all Burma Researchers.
Best regards.
adam khan
Refer to p 24 of your PhD Thesis (2004) which states as below .
{The story goes that the kings of Burma were descended from a migrating Indian chiefdom, the
“noble Sun dynasty of the Sakiyans”, the same line of descent as Buddha. They arrived to settle
at Tagaung around 850 BC, several centuries before the time of Buddha. Tagaung is a multiple walled site on the Ayeyarwady above Mandalay with an extensive archaeological record (page
144). The sons of the first king quarrelled. One migrated west across the Arakan Yoma in 825
BC, founding the city of Dhanyawadi. After 33 kings had reigned, the Tagaung kingdom
collapsed due to incursions by the kingdom of Gandhara, in what is now Yunnan.}
My interpretation of the historiography is , as far as Gandhara is concern which cannot be Chinese though the would be Bama or Burman came into Tagaung region from the region now called ( modern ) Yunnan; they were the same people, I mean the Abhira tribe of Gandhara ( modern Afghanistan, Pakistan and India triangle.
Thus far we Burmese , Bama and all ethnic races are not the kin of Han or Tai Chinese and we are not Pouk-Faw or relatives to these expansionists.
Trust that this message make very clear for all Burma Researchers.
Best regards.
adam khan
7 days
FYI
Burmese researcher Phone Tin Kyaw had already pointed out Luce's bias statement and Than Tun had acknowledge that Luce proposal "Bama Asda kyaukse ka" is false and fabrication.
https://www.facebook.com/%E1%80%98%E1%80%AF%E1%80%94%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B8%E1%80%90%E1%80%84%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B7%E1%80%B1%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B9-750429905026564/
Burmese researcher Phone Tin Kyaw had already pointed out Luce's bias statement and Than Tun had acknowledge that Luce proposal "Bama Asda kyaukse ka" is false and fabrication.
https://www.facebook.com/%E1%80%98%E1%80%AF%E1%80%94%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B8%E1%80%90%E1%80%84%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B7%E1%80%B1%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B9-750429905026564/
5 days
Dear Bob Hudson,
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
Thanks and best regards.
adam khan
Just now
Dear Bob Hudson,
We have evidences to confirmed that Northern region of modern Burma and Southwestern region of modern Yunnan are Mauryan countries which mean Indian.
Refer Phayers' repport below.
About this time, Goadama Buddha being still alive, a second band of immigrant Kshatriyas from Gangetic India arrived, led by Daza Raja. They settled at Mauriya, east of the Irawadi, near a village now called Mwe-yen. The Raja, afterwards moved to Male, married Queen Nagahsin, and they then went north and built a city close to the ancient capital Tagaung, now known as Old Pugan. In the Burmese chronicle no mention is made of the invaders from the east interfering to prevent this settlement, and the ancient capital not long after was again occupied. Sixteen kings succeeded this founder of the second dynasty. The last of them, Thado Maha Raja, having no son, the queen's brother was appointed Ainshemeng, and declared to be heir to the throne. The king was dethroned by invaders, but whether by the descendants of the former conquerors, or by others from the eastward, is not stated. {Phayhre (1883:pp 9-10)}
Just stop hypothesizing, advocating and lobbying for Tai Chinese and Han Chinese who are just invaders and expansionists.
Now I am very pleased to prove you and all Tai promoters are wrong.
Thanks and best regards.
Adam Khan (aka) Raja Saraka
We have evidences to confirmed that Northern region of modern Burma and Southwestern region of modern Yunnan are Mauryan countries which mean Indian.
Refer Phayers' repport below.
About this time, Goadama Buddha being still alive, a second band of immigrant Kshatriyas from Gangetic India arrived, led by Daza Raja. They settled at Mauriya, east of the Irawadi, near a village now called Mwe-yen. The Raja, afterwards moved to Male, married Queen Nagahsin, and they then went north and built a city close to the ancient capital Tagaung, now known as Old Pugan. In the Burmese chronicle no mention is made of the invaders from the east interfering to prevent this settlement, and the ancient capital not long after was again occupied. Sixteen kings succeeded this founder of the second dynasty. The last of them, Thado Maha Raja, having no son, the queen's brother was appointed Ainshemeng, and declared to be heir to the throne. The king was dethroned by invaders, but whether by the descendants of the former conquerors, or by others from the eastward, is not stated. {Phayhre (1883:pp 9-10)}
Just stop hypothesizing, advocating and lobbying for Tai Chinese and Han Chinese who are just invaders and expansionists.
Now I am very pleased to prove you and all Tai promoters are wrong.
Thanks and best regards.
Adam Khan (aka) Raja Saraka
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